TW 20240301 installer = nothing but a black screen

[bad sector]

Nvidia gk-107 card, same for installation or upgrade, function keys do
nothing and after a while all dvd activity comes to a halt

I was thinking of trying MICRO also but fear that it will do the same
after another 3 hour download :-(

[bad sector]

Post by bad sector
Nvidia gk-107 card, same for installation or upgrade, function keys do
nothing and after a while all dvd activity comes to a halt
I was thinking of trying MICRO also but fear that it will do the same
after another 3 hour download :-(

Sure enough, same nothing; and these are 'installation' DVD's?

If I were a developer, I think I would poll for rational keyboard or
mouse input, failing any of that I would presume that the user cannot
see anything on the monitor and change the game. Just saying.

[Malcolm]

On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 21:21:54 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by bad sector
Nvidia gk-107 card, same for installation or upgrade, function keys
do nothing and after a while all dvd activity comes to a halt
I was thinking of trying MICRO also but fear that it will do the
same after another 3 hour download :-(

Sure enough, same nothing; and these are 'installation' DVD's?
If I were a developer, I think I would poll for rational keyboard or
mouse input, failing any of that I would presume that the user cannot
see anything on the monitor and change the game. Just saying.

3 hours.. slow internet, try the net install?

Add nomodeset to the grub boot options and see if that helps. What
model nvidia: /sbin/lspci -nnk | grep -EA3 "VGA|Display|3D"

[bad sector]

Post by Malcolm
On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 21:21:54 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by bad sector
Nvidia gk-107 card, same for installation or upgrade, function keys
do nothing and after a while all dvd activity comes to a halt
I was thinking of trying MICRO also but fear that it will do the
same after another 3 hour download :-(

Sure enough, same nothing; and these are 'installation' DVD's?
If I were a developer, I think I would poll for rational keyboard or
mouse input, failing any of that I would presume that the user cannot
see anything on the monitor and change the game. Just saying.

3 hours.. slow internet, try the net install?

not a problem by itself

Post by Malcolm
Add nomodeset to the grub boot options and see if that helps. What
model nvidia: /sbin/lspci -nnk | grep -EA3 "VGA|Display|3D"

That did help in that it provided an installation interface but the
installed systemn GUI is 480 resolution which for all intent and purpose
is unusable.

on another (usable) system using kernel 6.5:

# /sbin/lspci -nnk | grep -EA3 "VGA|Display|3D"
08:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107
[GeForce GT 640] [10de:0fc1] (rev a1)
Subsystem: ZOTAC International (MCO) Ltd. Device [19da:1258]
Kernel driver in use: nvidia
Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidia_drm, nvidia

[Malcolm]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 17:01:27 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 21:21:54 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by bad sector
Nvidia gk-107 card, same for installation or upgrade, function
keys do nothing and after a while all dvd activity comes to a halt
I was thinking of trying MICRO also but fear that it will do the
same after another 3 hour download :-(

Sure enough, same nothing; and these are 'installation' DVD's?
If I were a developer, I think I would poll for rational keyboard
or mouse input, failing any of that I would presume that the user
cannot see anything on the monitor and change the game. Just
saying.

3 hours.. slow internet, try the net install?

not a problem by itself

Post by Malcolm
Add nomodeset to the grub boot options and see if that helps. What
model nvidia: /sbin/lspci -nnk | grep -EA3 "VGA|Display|3D"

That did help in that it provided an installation interface but the
installed systemn GUI is 480 resolution which for all intent and
purpose is unusable.
# /sbin/lspci -nnk | grep -EA3 "VGA|Display|3D"
08:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107
[GeForce GT 640] [10de:0fc1] (rev a1)
Subsystem: ZOTAC International (MCO) Ltd. Device [19da:1258]
Kernel driver in use: nvidia
Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidia_drm, nvidia

Hi
Yes, that is a result, but an indicator it's the nvidia driver

Is nvidia_drm.modeset=1 or simplefb=1 present in the grub options? Did
the G05 driver rebuild ok?

I would suggest booting to multi-user.target (runlevel 3) and force the
re-install of all the nvidia rpms...

[bad sector]

Post by Malcolm
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 17:01:27 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 21:21:54 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by bad sector
Nvidia gk-107 card, same for installation or upgrade, function
keys do nothing and after a while all dvd activity comes to a halt
I was thinking of trying MICRO also but fear that it will do the
same after another 3 hour download :-(

Sure enough, same nothing; and these are 'installation' DVD's?
If I were a developer, I think I would poll for rational keyboard
or mouse input, failing any of that I would presume that the user
cannot see anything on the monitor and change the game. Just
saying.

3 hours.. slow internet, try the net install?

not a problem by itself

Post by Malcolm
Add nomodeset to the grub boot options and see if that helps. What
model nvidia: /sbin/lspci -nnk | grep -EA3 "VGA|Display|3D"

That did help in that it provided an installation interface but the
installed systemn GUI is 480 resolution which for all intent and
purpose is unusable.
# /sbin/lspci -nnk | grep -EA3 "VGA|Display|3D"
08:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107
[GeForce GT 640] [10de:0fc1] (rev a1)
Subsystem: ZOTAC International (MCO) Ltd. Device [19da:1258]
Kernel driver in use: nvidia
Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidia_drm, nvidia

Hi
Yes, that is a result, but an indicator it's the nvidia driver
Is nvidia_drm.modeset=1 or simplefb=1 present in the grub options?

only 'nomodeset'

Post by Malcolm
Did the G05 driver rebuild ok?

The above was on an older TW installation and the nvidia
G05's are all installed, BUT booting kernel 6.7 still takes
me only as far as a log-in prompt and that's on my Slowroll
and both TW installations.

On the freshie TW (I've never seen nvidia drivers installed
by the installer at the time of imstallation)

# /sbin/lspci -nnk | grep -EA3 "VGA|Display|3D"
08:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA
Corporation GK107 [GeForce GT 640] [10de:0fc1]
(rev a1)
Subsystem: ZOTAC International (MCO) Ltd. Device [19da:1258]
*NB. no driver in use* <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Kernel modules: nouveau

Post by Malcolm
I would suggest booting to multi-user.target (runlevel 3) and force the
re-install of all the nvidia rpms...

On this fresshie TW there is no internet and I cannot install
anything that needs downloading. And what if I don't want any
nvidia driver, is there no nouveau driver? Why is no driver
'in use' in the above?

On pre-6.7 installs I always got a high resolution GUI both
for the installation and for initial use WITHOUT anything
from nvidia. So what has changed this with 6.7?

[Malcolm]

On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 19:45:28 -0500
bad sector <***@_INVALID.net> wrote:

<snip>

Post by bad sector
On this fresshie TW there is no internet and I cannot install
anything that needs downloading. And what if I don't want any
nvidia driver, is there no nouveau driver? Why is no driver
'in use' in the above?
On pre-6.7 installs I always got a high resolution GUI both
for the installation and for initial use WITHOUT anything
from nvidia. So what has changed this with 6.7?

Hi
So are you using Xorg or Wayland?

[bad sector]

Post by Malcolm
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 19:45:28 -0500
<snip>

Post by bad sector
On this fresshie TW there is no internet and I cannot install
anything that needs downloading. And what if I don't want any
nvidia driver, is there no nouveau driver? Why is no driver
'in use' in the above?
On pre-6.7 installs I always got a high resolution GUI both
for the installation and for initial use WITHOUT anything
from nvidia. So what has changed this with 6.7?

Hi
So are you using Xorg or Wayland?

Staying with the last TW freshie install, there's nothing 'Wayland' in
the log-in screen DM menu but a couple of the entries are appended with
(X11). With the probably anything but short-duration X11/Wayland debacle
continuing it might be an idea to placard all of them all the time,
which goes for grub menus too, always to include the exact disk &
partition # even for the default entry.

That said, I have yet to copy out the object of this doomsday message:
"/run/initramfs/rdsosreport.txt", especially if it refers to R&D/SOS.

[Malcolm]

On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 07:53:07 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 19:45:28 -0500
<snip>

Post by bad sector
On this fresshie TW there is no internet and I cannot install
anything that needs downloading. And what if I don't want any
nvidia driver, is there no nouveau driver? Why is no driver
'in use' in the above?
On pre-6.7 installs I always got a high resolution GUI both
for the installation and for initial use WITHOUT anything
from nvidia. So what has changed this with 6.7?

Hi
So are you using Xorg or Wayland?

Staying with the last TW freshie install, there's nothing 'Wayland'
in the log-in screen DM menu but a couple of the entries are appended
with (X11). With the probably anything but short-duration X11/Wayland
debacle continuing it might be an idea to placard all of them all the
time, which goes for grub menus too, always to include the exact disk
& partition # even for the default entry.
That said, I have yet to copy out the object of this doomsday
message: "/run/initramfs/rdsosreport.txt", especially if it refers to
R&D/SOS.

Hi
So any without an X11/Xorg reference are Wayland... So I'm assuming
your running Plasma and SDDM?

[bad sector]

Post by Malcolm
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 07:53:07 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 19:45:28 -0500
<snip>

Post by bad sector
On this fresshie TW there is no internet and I cannot install
anything that needs downloading. And what if I don't want any
nvidia driver, is there no nouveau driver? Why is no driver
'in use' in the above?
On pre-6.7 installs I always got a high resolution GUI both
for the installation and for initial use WITHOUT anything
from nvidia. So what has changed this with 6.7?

Hi
So are you using Xorg or Wayland?

Staying with the last TW freshie install, there's nothing 'Wayland'
in the log-in screen DM menu but a couple of the entries are appended
with (X11). With the probably anything but short-duration X11/Wayland
debacle continuing it might be an idea to placard all of them all the
time, which goes for grub menus too, always to include the exact disk
& partition # even for the default entry.
That said, I have yet to copy out the object of this doomsday
message: "/run/initramfs/rdsosreport.txt", especially if it refers to
R&D/SOS.

Hi
So any without an X11/Xorg reference are Wayland... So I'm assuming
your running Plasma and SDDM?

During install I opted for Gnome, XFCE & Plasma. On the log-in DM
choices list are:

GNOME Classic on Xorg
Gnome Classic
Gnome on Xorg
Ice WM session
Plasma X11
Xfce Session

Of which 3 would then be X11 and 3 unknown because if there is X11 and
Wayland then every one is either one of those, as placarded, or unknown.

This log-in screen is I think SDDM but there is no mention of that
either. Even though I have been unable to do anything before (beside
booting and logging-in many times) the resolution is now up from 480 to
1024 which makes it possible to connect the usb wifi among other things.
No higher resolution is available in "Settings/Hardware/Dsiplays".
When I launched Yast-Software to prioritize Packman-Essentials 4
repo-definition files were automatically updated. I "could" also add the
nvidia repos and install their drivers and be done with it.

Before doing that though, if at all, I want to get 1920 resolution with
nouveau just as I had done with earlier kernels before 6.7. The purpose
of my last two postings was to become able to use kernel 6.7 before, as
this last TW snapshot confirmed, the earlier kernels vanish from the
list. This seems to be well on the way now. Not being able to log-in at
all with any 6.7 grub selection was most likely an os-prober fubar, and
the second issue revolving around poor resolution with noveau seems to
be improving by itself.

[Malcolm]

On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 16:29:02 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 07:53:07 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 19:45:28 -0500
<snip>

Post by bad sector
On this fresshie TW there is no internet and I cannot install
anything that needs downloading. And what if I don't want any
nvidia driver, is there no nouveau driver? Why is no driver
'in use' in the above?
On pre-6.7 installs I always got a high resolution GUI both
for the installation and for initial use WITHOUT anything
from nvidia. So what has changed this with 6.7?

Hi
So are you using Xorg or Wayland?

Staying with the last TW freshie install, there's nothing 'Wayland'
in the log-in screen DM menu but a couple of the entries are
appended with (X11). With the probably anything but short-duration
X11/Wayland debacle continuing it might be an idea to placard all
of them all the time, which goes for grub menus too, always to
include the exact disk & partition # even for the default entry.
That said, I have yet to copy out the object of this doomsday
message: "/run/initramfs/rdsosreport.txt", especially if it refers
to R&D/SOS.

Hi
So any without an X11/Xorg reference are Wayland... So I'm assuming
your running Plasma and SDDM?

During install I opted for Gnome, XFCE & Plasma. On the log-in DM
GNOME Classic on Xorg
Gnome Classic
Gnome on Xorg
Ice WM session
Plasma X11
Xfce Session
Of which 3 would then be X11 and 3 unknown because if there is X11
and Wayland then every one is either one of those, as placarded, or
unknown.
This log-in screen is I think SDDM but there is no mention of that
either. Even though I have been unable to do anything before (beside
booting and logging-in many times) the resolution is now up from 480
to 1024 which makes it possible to connect the usb wifi among other
things. No higher resolution is available in
"Settings/Hardware/Dsiplays". When I launched Yast-Software to
prioritize Packman-Essentials 4 repo-definition files were
automatically updated. I "could" also add the nvidia repos and
install their drivers and be done with it.
Before doing that though, if at all, I want to get 1920 resolution
with nouveau just as I had done with earlier kernels before 6.7. The
purpose of my last two postings was to become able to use kernel 6.7
before, as this last TW snapshot confirmed, the earlier kernels
vanish from the list. This seems to be well on the way now. Not being
able to log-in at all with any 6.7 grub selection was most likely an
os-prober fubar, and the second issue revolving around poor
resolution with noveau seems to be improving by itself.

Hi
So is xf86-video-nouveau installed?

[bad sector]

Post by Malcolm
Hi
So is xf86-video-nouveau installed?

It wasn't, no driver seems to have been installed at all. I installed it
but System-Settings still does not offer more than 1024 resolution. Also
did a zypper dup but that didn't improve things. It's quite possible
that installing the nvidia driver will fix things but I'm going to keep
this install as is until I can get nouveau to do 1920. It is capable of
doing that isn't it?

[Malcolm]

On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:34:33 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
Hi
So is xf86-video-nouveau installed?

It wasn't, no driver seems to have been installed at all. I installed
it but System-Settings still does not offer more than 1024
resolution. Also did a zypper dup but that didn't improve things.
It's quite possible that installing the nvidia driver will fix things
but I'm going to keep this install as is until I can get nouveau to
do 1920. It is capable of doing that isn't it?

Hi
Yes it should, but maybe switch to the other driver, see
<https://forums.opensuse.org/t/amd-intel-nvidia-x-graphics-driver-primer-third-edition/148576>

[bad sector]

Post by Malcolm
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:34:33 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
Hi
So is xf86-video-nouveau installed?

It wasn't, no driver seems to have been installed at all. I installed
it but System-Settings still does not offer more than 1024
resolution. Also did a zypper dup but that didn't improve things.
It's quite possible that installing the nvidia driver will fix things
but I'm going to keep this install as is until I can get nouveau to
do 1920. It is capable of doing that isn't it?

Hi
Yes it should, but maybe switch to the other driver, see

I want to see nouveau do everything by itself first, THEN use nvidia
drivers if and when I feel I must use them, ultimately revert to nouveau
for the last dance. The ONLY time I EVER need nvidia is to run
GE-Flight-Sim. The nvidia server BTW is usually slower than a dead dog
or completely frozen, I've ben trying to install their drivers for tha
last two days (I'll never buy anyything with anything related to nvidia
in it again).

Post by Malcolm
<https://forums.opensuse.org/t/amd-intel-nvidia-x-graphics-driver-primer-third-edition/148576>

When I 'install' a system from the freshest .iso it should WORK.

There seem to be 2 misconceptions running about: that anything upped to
the TW server has merely 'been compiled' and so is high risk at best,
and the other that Linux is strictly comand-line stuff. The first dire
warning applies to packages and never to the TW systems being installed
from an iso as a whole AFAIK:

"Continuously Updated. You install it once and enjoy it forever. No
longer do you have to worry every six months about massive system
upgrades that risk bricking your system. Leading-Edge. You get frequent
updates that not only address vulnerabilities or squash bugs, but
reflect latest features and developments, such as fresh kernels, fresh
drivers and recent desktop environment versions. Stable. Updates are
thoroughly tested against industry-grade quality standards, taking
advantage of a build service other Linux distributions envy us. Not only
is each new version of a package individually tested, but different
clusters of versions are tested against each other, making sure your
system is internally consistent."

The second is that Linux users make Linux possible because they want 'to
be able to use a cLi' if and when they so feel inclined AS OPPOSED TO
having to use cLi all the time for everything.

[Malcolm]

On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 07:51:06 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:34:33 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
Hi
So is xf86-video-nouveau installed?

It wasn't, no driver seems to have been installed at all. I
installed it but System-Settings still does not offer more than
1024 resolution. Also did a zypper dup but that didn't improve
things. It's quite possible that installing the nvidia driver will
fix things but I'm going to keep this install as is until I can
get nouveau to do 1920. It is capable of doing that isn't it?

Hi
Yes it should, but maybe switch to the other driver, see

I want to see nouveau do everything by itself first, THEN use nvidia
drivers if and when I feel I must use them, ultimately revert to
nouveau for the last dance. The ONLY time I EVER need nvidia is to
run GE-Flight-Sim. The nvidia server BTW is usually slower than a
dead dog or completely frozen, I've ben trying to install their
drivers for tha last two days (I'll never buy anyything with anything
related to nvidia in it again).

Post by Malcolm
<https://forums.opensuse.org/t/amd-intel-nvidia-x-graphics-driver-primer-third-edition/148576>

When I 'install' a system from the freshest .iso it should WORK.
There seem to be 2 misconceptions running about: that anything upped
to the TW server has merely 'been compiled' and so is high risk at
best, and the other that Linux is strictly comand-line stuff. The
first dire warning applies to packages and never to the TW systems
"Continuously Updated. You install it once and enjoy it forever. No
longer do you have to worry every six months about massive system
upgrades that risk bricking your system. Leading-Edge. You get
frequent updates that not only address vulnerabilities or squash
bugs, but reflect latest features and developments, such as fresh
kernels, fresh drivers and recent desktop environment versions.
Stable. Updates are thoroughly tested against industry-grade quality
standards, taking advantage of a build service other Linux
distributions envy us. Not only is each new version of a package
individually tested, but different clusters of versions are tested
against each other, making sure your system is internally consistent."
The second is that Linux users make Linux possible because they want
'to be able to use a cLi' if and when they so feel inclined AS
OPPOSED TO having to use cLi all the time for everything.

Hi
Not had any issues with the Nvidia drivers here, on my Desktop I use
the run file, on my Tumbleweed test system (Nvidia is offload) it uses
the rpm... Both run GNOME DE... in fact for giggles a few weeks back on
the test system I had it running the internal intel gpu (Primary
graphics) and the following for offload, an ARC 380, a AMD RX550 and a
Quadro K620 all at the same time all worked fine.

[bad sector]

Post by Malcolm
Hi
Not had any issues with the Nvidia drivers here, on my Desktop I use
the run file, on my Tumbleweed test system (Nvidia is offload) it uses
the rpm... Both run GNOME DE... in fact for giggles a few weeks back on
the test system I had it running the internal intel gpu (Primary
graphics) and the following for offload, an ARC 380, a AMD RX550 and a
Quadro K620 all at the same time all worked fine.

I have an nvidia card with a Slowroll system and an older TW system,
plus a new TW system. ALL on KDE and on all of them booting the 6.7
kernel gives me a black screen with no keyboard, the first two have
nvidia drivers installed that work with kernel 6.5 but not 6.7. I
managed to extricate the new TW system (kernel 6.7 only) from this
predicament only days ago and only to 1024 resolution without using an
nvidia driver.

Maybe I should explore trying a noname el-cheapo and necessarily
non-nvidia video card.

[Malcolm]

On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 16:15:05 -0500

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
Hi
Not had any issues with the Nvidia drivers here, on my Desktop I use
the run file, on my Tumbleweed test system (Nvidia is offload) it
uses the rpm... Both run GNOME DE... in fact for giggles a few
weeks back on the test system I had it running the internal intel
gpu (Primary graphics) and the following for offload, an ARC 380, a
AMD RX550 and a Quadro K620 all at the same time all worked fine.

I have an nvidia card with a Slowroll system and an older TW system,
plus a new TW system. ALL on KDE and on all of them booting the 6.7
kernel gives me a black screen with no keyboard, the first two have
nvidia drivers installed that work with kernel 6.5 but not 6.7. I
managed to extricate the new TW system (kernel 6.7 only) from this
predicament only days ago and only to 1024 resolution without using
an nvidia driver.
Maybe I should explore trying a noname el-cheapo and necessarily
non-nvidia video card.

Hi
Sounds more like a Desktop Issue than hardware...

At a tty login what does `inxi -Gxz` show?

[Carlos E.R.]

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
Hi
Not had any issues with the Nvidia drivers here, on my Desktop I use
the run file, on my Tumbleweed test system (Nvidia is offload) it uses
the rpm... Both run GNOME DE... in fact for giggles a few weeks back on
the test system I had it running the internal intel gpu (Primary
graphics) and the following for offload, an ARC 380, a AMD RX550 and a
Quadro K620 all at the same time all worked fine.

I have an nvidia card with a Slowroll system and an older TW system,
plus a new TW system. ALL on KDE and on all of them booting the 6.7
kernel gives me a black screen with no keyboard, the first two have
nvidia drivers installed that work with kernel 6.5 but not 6.7. I
managed to extricate the new TW system (kernel 6.7 only) from this
predicament only days ago and only to 1024 resolution without using an
nvidia driver.
Maybe I should explore trying a noname el-cheapo and necessarily
non-nvidia video card.

I have no problems with AMD. I had Nvidia all my life, not going back to
them. With AMD I don't have to install any driver, it works out of the
box, even with 3D games (the penguin races or flightgear).

Graphics:
Device-1: AMD Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590]
vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-4
code: Arctic Islands process: GF 14nm built: 2016-20 pcie: gen: 3
speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: DVI-D-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2,
HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 27:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:67df class-ID: 0300
temp: 42.0 C


It is a cheap card.

There is some proprietary blurb I can install, but I haven't bothered.

[bad sector]

Post by Carlos E.R.

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
Hi
Not had any issues with the Nvidia drivers here, on my Desktop I use
the run file, on my Tumbleweed test system (Nvidia is offload) it uses
the rpm... Both run GNOME DE... in fact for giggles a few weeks back on
the test system I had it running the internal intel gpu (Primary
graphics) and the following for offload, an ARC 380, a AMD RX550 and a
Quadro K620 all at the same time all worked fine.

I have an nvidia card with a Slowroll system and an older TW system,
plus a new TW system. ALL on KDE and on all of them booting the 6.7
kernel gives me a black screen with no keyboard, the first two have
nvidia drivers installed that work with kernel 6.5 but not 6.7. I
managed to extricate the new TW system (kernel 6.7 only) from this
predicament only days ago and only to 1024 resolution without using an
nvidia driver.
Maybe I should explore trying a noname el-cheapo and necessarily
non-nvidia video card.

I have no problems with AMD. I had Nvidia all my life, not going back to
them. With AMD I don't have to install any driver, it works out of the
box, even with 3D games (the penguin races or flightgear).
  Device-1: AMD Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590]
    vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-4
    code: Arctic Islands process: GF 14nm built: 2016-20 pcie: gen: 3
    speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: DVI-D-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2,
    HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 27:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:67df class-ID: 0300
    temp: 42.0 C
It is a cheap card.
There is some proprietary blurb I can install, but I haven't bothered.

With all the talk about nvidia having (finally) come to their senses I
don't want to end up with a new card and the day after the end of all
problems with nvidia anyway. What the hell, I'll sell the nvidia after...

[Carlos E.R.]

Post by bad sector

Post by Carlos E.R.

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
Hi
Not had any issues with the Nvidia drivers here, on my Desktop I use
the run file, on my Tumbleweed test system (Nvidia is offload) it uses
the rpm... Both run GNOME DE... in fact for giggles a few weeks back on
the test system I had it running the internal intel gpu (Primary
graphics) and the following for offload, an ARC 380, a AMD RX550 and a
Quadro K620 all at the same time all worked fine.

I have an nvidia card with a Slowroll system and an older TW system,
plus a new TW system. ALL on KDE and on all of them booting the 6.7
kernel gives me a black screen with no keyboard, the first two have
nvidia drivers installed that work with kernel 6.5 but not 6.7. I
managed to extricate the new TW system (kernel 6.7 only) from this
predicament only days ago and only to 1024 resolution without using
an nvidia driver.
Maybe I should explore trying a noname el-cheapo and necessarily
non-nvidia video card.

I have no problems with AMD. I had Nvidia all my life, not going back
to them. With AMD I don't have to install any driver, it works out of
the box, even with 3D games (the penguin races or flightgear).
   Device-1: AMD Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590]
     vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-4
     code: Arctic Islands process: GF 14nm built: 2016-20 pcie: gen: 3
     speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: DVI-D-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2,
     HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 27:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:67df class-ID: 0300
     temp: 42.0 C
It is a cheap card.
There is some proprietary blurb I can install, but I haven't bothered.

With all the talk about nvidia having (finally) come to their senses I
don't want to end up with a new card and the day after the end of all
problems with nvidia anyway. What the hell, I'll sell the nvidia after...

If it is an expensive, good, nvidia card, I would try hard and long.

In my case, when I had to replace the computer, I changed video brand.
The old machine is still using nvidia with nouveau, but experiences locks.

[bad sector]

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Post by Carlos E.R.

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Post by Malcolm
Hi
Not had any issues with the Nvidia drivers here, on my Desktop I use
the run file, on my Tumbleweed test system (Nvidia is offload) it uses
the rpm... Both run GNOME DE... in fact for giggles a few weeks back on
the test system I had it running the internal intel gpu (Primary
graphics) and the following for offload, an ARC 380, a AMD RX550 and a
Quadro K620 all at the same time all worked fine.

I have an nvidia card with a Slowroll system and an older TW system,
plus a new TW system. ALL on KDE and on all of them booting the 6.7
kernel gives me a black screen with no keyboard, the first two have
nvidia drivers installed that work with kernel 6.5 but not 6.7. I
managed to extricate the new TW system (kernel 6.7 only) from this
predicament only days ago and only to 1024 resolution without using
an nvidia driver.
Maybe I should explore trying a noname el-cheapo and necessarily
non-nvidia video card.

I have no problems with AMD. I had Nvidia all my life, not going back
to them. With AMD I don't have to install any driver, it works out of
the box, even with 3D games (the penguin races or flightgear).
   Device-1: AMD Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590]
     vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-4
     code: Arctic Islands process: GF 14nm built: 2016-20 pcie: gen: 3
     speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: DVI-D-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2,
     HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 27:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:67df class-ID: 0300
     temp: 42.0 C
It is a cheap card.
There is some proprietary blurb I can install, but I haven't bothered.

With all the talk about nvidia having (finally) come to their senses I
don't want to end up with a new card and the day after the end of all
problems with nvidia anyway. What the hell, I'll sell the nvidia after...

If it is an expensive, good, nvidia card, I would try hard and long.
In my case, when I had to replace the computer, I changed video brand.
The old machine is still using nvidia with nouveau, but experiences locks.

It cost around $200 years ago, good enough technically but if I had
known the driver hell it woud bring me I would NEVER have bought it, the
AMD should be here this week

[Carlos E.R.]

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Post by Carlos E.R.
If it is an expensive, good, nvidia card, I would try hard and long.
In my case, when I had to replace the computer, I changed video brand.
The old machine is still using nvidia with nouveau, but experiences locks.

It cost around $200 years ago, good enough technically but if I had
known the driver hell it woud bring me I would NEVER have bought it, the
AMD should be here this week

AMD could be hell ages ago; I don't remember the details, but they
stopped supporting certain range of cards, and the Linux own support was
primitive. Then one day AMD decided to do something in the line of
opening up their drivers or specs or both (again, I don't remember the
details). The thing is, that now their cards work very well out of the
box. The situation should be similar to Intel graphics, but Intel
neglects to solve bugs. I have a light machine and two laptops with
Intel graphics, and all have one problem or another.

[bad sector]

Post by Carlos E.R.

Post by bad sector

Post by Carlos E.R.
If it is an expensive, good, nvidia card, I would try hard and long.
In my case, when I had to replace the computer, I changed video
brand. The old machine is still using nvidia with nouveau, but
experiences locks.

It cost around $200 years ago, good enough technically but if I had
known the driver hell it woud bring me I would NEVER have bought it,
the AMD should be here this week

AMD could be hell ages ago; I don't remember the details, but they
stopped supporting certain range of cards, and the Linux own support was
primitive. Then one day AMD decided to do something in the line of
opening up their drivers or specs or both (again, I don't remember the
details). The thing is, that now their cards work very well out of the
box. The situation should be similar to Intel graphics, but Intel
neglects to solve bugs. I have a light machine and two laptops with
Intel graphics, and all have one problem or another.

Similar story, in another life the 'other' (radion) cards had huge Linux
driver problems and that's why i went to nvidia; looks like it's gone
full circle ..or at least a 180 :-)

[R Daneel Olivaw]

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Post by Carlos E.R.

Post by bad sector

Post by Carlos E.R.
If it is an expensive, good, nvidia card, I would try hard and long.
In my case, when I had to replace the computer, I changed video
brand. The old machine is still using nvidia with nouveau, but
experiences locks.

It cost around $200 years ago, good enough technically but if I had
known the driver hell it woud bring me I would NEVER have bought it,
the AMD should be here this week

AMD could be hell ages ago; I don't remember the details, but they
stopped supporting certain range of cards, and the Linux own support
was primitive. Then one day AMD decided to do something in the line of
opening up their drivers or specs or both (again, I don't remember the
details). The thing is, that now their cards work very well out of the
box. The situation should be similar to Intel graphics, but Intel
neglects to solve bugs. I have a light machine and two laptops with
Intel graphics, and all have one problem or another.

Similar story, in another life the 'other' (radion) cards had huge Linux
driver problems and that's why i went to nvidia; looks like it's gone
full circle  ..or at least a 180 :-)

The last time I went for nVidia was in 2008, and even then it was
because I'd forgotten to check what graphics the PC I was buying had.
Can't complain though, that machine worked (mostly) with nouveau until
it ceased working altogether.
The (mostly) was when the openSuse maintainer released a broken patch
for the kernel just before going on holiday for a few weeks, nouveau was
totally broken under that kernel until he came back. At least the
previous kernel worked fine.

[bad sector]

Post by R Daneel Olivaw

Post by bad sector

Post by Carlos E.R.

Post by bad sector

Post by Carlos E.R.
If it is an expensive, good, nvidia card, I would try hard and long.
In my case, when I had to replace the computer, I changed video
brand. The old machine is still using nvidia with nouveau, but
experiences locks.

It cost around $200 years ago, good enough technically but if I had
known the driver hell it woud bring me I would NEVER have bought it,
the AMD should be here this week

AMD could be hell ages ago; I don't remember the details, but they
stopped supporting certain range of cards, and the Linux own support
was primitive. Then one day AMD decided to do something in the line
of opening up their drivers or specs or both (again, I don't remember
the details). The thing is, that now their cards work very well out
of the box. The situation should be similar to Intel graphics, but
Intel neglects to solve bugs. I have a light machine and two laptops
with Intel graphics, and all have one problem or another.

Similar story, in another life the 'other' (radion) cards had huge
Linux driver problems and that's why i went to nvidia; looks like it's
gone full circle  ..or at least a 180 :-)

The last time I went for nVidia was in 2008, and even then it was
because I'd forgotten to check what graphics the PC I was buying had.
Can't complain though, that machine worked (mostly) with nouveau until
it ceased working altogether.
The (mostly) was when the openSuse maintainer released a broken patch
for the kernel just before going on holiday for a few weeks, nouveau was
totally broken under that kernel until he came back.  At least the
previous kernel worked fine.

That kind of problem is managable by backing up with dd so that there
are always two generations of copies of 'working' partitions. My issue
with nvidia has been the interminably difficult downloads, speeds slower
than a dead dog os fully stopped, and lastly that the card wasn't
working at all with kernel 6.7 regardless of driver used (nouveau gave
me a low resolution desktop 1024 at best) so I asked myself what the
hell am I going to do when 6.7 is the oldest kernel around? I'm no guru
who can wiggle his way out of any predicament, so had I known that the
once bitchy radion had become a socially reconfigured AMD card I would
swapped out the nvidia a LOOOOOONG time ago!

[bad sector]

Post by Carlos E.R.

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
Hi
Not had any issues with the Nvidia drivers here, on my Desktop I use
the run file, on my Tumbleweed test system (Nvidia is offload) it uses
the rpm... Both run GNOME DE... in fact for giggles a few weeks back on
the test system I had it running the internal intel gpu (Primary
graphics) and the following for offload, an ARC 380, a AMD RX550 and a
Quadro K620 all at the same time all worked fine.

I have an nvidia card with a Slowroll system and an older TW system,
plus a new TW system. ALL on KDE and on all of them booting the 6.7
kernel gives me a black screen with no keyboard, the first two have
nvidia drivers installed that work with kernel 6.5 but not 6.7. I
managed to extricate the new TW system (kernel 6.7 only) from this
predicament only days ago and only to 1024 resolution without using an
nvidia driver.
Maybe I should explore trying a noname el-cheapo and necessarily
non-nvidia video card.

I have no problems with AMD. I had Nvidia all my life, not going back to
them. With AMD I don't have to install any driver, it works out of the
box, even with 3D games (the penguin races or flightgear).
  Device-1: AMD Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590]
    vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-4
    code: Arctic Islands process: GF 14nm built: 2016-20 pcie: gen: 3
    speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: DVI-D-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2,
    HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 27:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:67df class-ID: 0300
    temp: 42.0 C
It is a cheap card.

Bought a used 580, works like a charm, thanks for mentioning AMD

[Carlos E.R.]

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Post by Carlos E.R.

Post by bad sector

Post by Malcolm
Hi
Not had any issues with the Nvidia drivers here, on my Desktop I use
the run file, on my Tumbleweed test system (Nvidia is offload) it uses
the rpm... Both run GNOME DE... in fact for giggles a few weeks back on
the test system I had it running the internal intel gpu (Primary
graphics) and the following for offload, an ARC 380, a AMD RX550 and a
Quadro K620 all at the same time all worked fine.

I have an nvidia card with a Slowroll system and an older TW system,
plus a new TW system. ALL on KDE and on all of them booting the 6.7
kernel gives me a black screen with no keyboard, the first two have
nvidia drivers installed that work with kernel 6.5 but not 6.7. I
managed to extricate the new TW system (kernel 6.7 only) from this
predicament only days ago and only to 1024 resolution without using
an nvidia driver.
Maybe I should explore trying a noname el-cheapo and necessarily
non-nvidia video card.

I have no problems with AMD. I had Nvidia all my life, not going back
to them. With AMD I don't have to install any driver, it works out of
the box, even with 3D games (the penguin races or flightgear).
   Device-1: AMD Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590]
     vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-4
     code: Arctic Islands process: GF 14nm built: 2016-20 pcie: gen: 3
     speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: DVI-D-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2,
     HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 27:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:67df class-ID: 0300
     temp: 42.0 C
It is a cheap card.

Bought a used 580, works like a charm, thanks for mentioning AMD

Wow. That was fast. Good for you :-)